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Messages - Ira Robinson

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NOTAMs / New ZKC ATM Appointed!
« on: March 29, 2011, 06:41:48 AM »

General Discussion / ZMP's 168 Hour Push
« on: January 25, 2011, 07:32:52 AM »
Quote from: Don Desfosse

Please, all, join me in a bow of respect followed by very healthy applause for the team at Minneapolis. You guys are sick! awesome! for achieving a full 100% online presence -- a new VATSIM record (and, of course, one that can never be broken, only tied). Team Boston hopes you enjoyed all the Red Bull we had flown in there for you guys; give us a call in 4 days or so when you wake up, and we'll fly in some fresh Laaahhhbstaah for your team celebration.

[jumping to our feet]---[clap][clap][clap][clap]  

There just aren't the words. Amazing, simply amazing.

The Classroom (Controller Tips) / Trouble reaching NY
« on: January 07, 2011, 03:24:25 PM »
Quote from: Anthony Riedi
I began my startup process this morning in the wee hours, and am now trying to login into NY ARTCC website to gain access to their forums. For some reason it keeps telling me that I have invalid login credentials. I am still using the same login and password given for VATUSA unless this is an error on my part.

Could someone be kind enough to shed some light on this, or point me in the right direction please?


Anthony, I replied to the email you sent me last night early this morning. I gave you a new password as you requested.  I also told you to send an email direct to [email protected] if you were still having a problem so he could reset your entire profile for you. I cannot do that.

I hope that you received that email and that by the time you read this the problem will have been resolved.

General Discussion / Where's Management?
« on: December 30, 2010, 08:03:23 PM »
Quote from: Rahul Parkar
Ira, Meh, I may have a lot of time on my hands this week, but without work, I don't have anything to do
Also, I stated he was a newbie to VATUSA and controlling having done a Quick stats check prior to saying anything outrageous.

My sole point was to agree with Tom and point out that you should let him speak for himself.  If that did not come across clearly enough then I guess I should have chosen my words better.   Anyone has the right to ask questions but I too must admit to little bit of curiosity after seeing the words he chose.  

General Discussion / Where's Management?
« on: December 30, 2010, 03:17:08 PM »
Quote from: Rahul Parkar

Why does Mr. DuBois need to have a *need* to ask a question. He is just wondering where his VATUSA Staff is and he is just innocently asking the question that I'm sure many have thought but nobody has really asked.

And, his *Issue* is that he is trying to promote his good idea of management,

All he is doing is asking an innocent question.

P.S. Implying that his post was "just to get a rise" isn't the nicest way to treat someone who is quite clearly a new member to VATUSA and controlling.


Come on Rahul, you have too much time on your hands this week.  Mr. Dubois is hardly a newbie having been in and about VATSIM for a couple of years now and has over 250 online flying hours. He has no ATC background at all so why as a pilot would he even bother to look for a VATUSA "boss"?

My friend you should let him answer any questions directed to him himself.

The Control Room Floor / ZME NOW HIRING
« on: December 09, 2010, 12:22:00 PM »
Quote from: Matt Fuoco
As long as it doesn't exceed our salary for being ATM's!  

The heck with the agreed upon ARTCC salary caps. It's time for the winter meetings and that means FREE AGENCY!!  Coffee, cookies, donuts, I'm easy. I'm not cheap but I can be had.  Call my agent at 1.888.atc.4you    

One time rentals available or fill those hard to staff early morning hours for a (phee)nominal fee. Remember -=> a time zone difference can be your best friend!

The Control Room Floor / ILS before visual?
« on: December 07, 2010, 10:30:18 PM »
Quote from: Dhruv Kalra
The other thing about a visual approach is that it takes separation responsibility off the controller and places it upon the pilot. Reading between the lines this typically results in a tighter packed final since pilots aren't held to 3 miles/1000 feet when using visual sep.

+1.  We see this in NY all the time during busy ops at JFK and especially LGA.

The Flight Deck / OTS Tonight!
« on: December 06, 2010, 10:56:05 AM »
Quote from: Ryan Parry
I passed, booyah

Well done!

General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 11, 2010, 08:35:01 AM »
Quote from: Bob Carmona
In response to the original question, I too believe that pilot AND controller knowledge has dropped at a geometric rate. The reason for this is because a great many of the ones coming to network now have zero regard for any rules. They have no desire to EARN anything. But mostly because they view this network as a game. It's not about flight simulation for them. They just think it is "cool" to get on the network with all the people. The busier the airspace is, the more these gamers show up.

Only one way to fix that. Start taking the "if you don't like it, leave" approach to them that is being applied to the members that want to keep this network a simulation and not a game. It's not at all hard to say "Either get with the program like so many before you or hit the road, you are wasting my time". Sure you will lose "members". So what? The only ones being lost are the ones that disrupt the network and come in these forums to whine and cry about how hard and unfair it is. Maybe if we took that "so what?" stance towards losing them that is taken when a long-time productive member leaves...

Agreed. As I said earlier,
[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE [/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]People have to learn that sometimes "no" is an answer. We can't be everything to everybody. We just are what we are and we should not be changing what has worked all these years just because a new generation of players want to make the game easier.[/quote]
When I have a dozen aircraft at JFK all looking for clearance and taxi and departure instructions I don't have time to wet nurse a newbie. But I do have time to ask him to wait 10 minutes and I'll take him over to ISP and walk him through some stuff if he wants some help.

What I don't have the time for either is the newbie who blows that off because he doesn't want to wait or an experienced pilot or controller or SUP jumping on my back because I didn't help the newbie out in a "timely" manner.

I can't tell you how many times I have had to listen to the speach about why didn't you help the guy instead of just telling him leave JFK and go elsewhere.  Well, that is a little out of context but no one seems to notice that.

I'll say it again; we can't be all things to all people and the sooner people understand that the sooner we can back to helping those who do want it.  

And I'm sorry if that if is upsetting to some people who have been around a while and remember when this was a friendlier place.  But we're a little bigger now and unfortunately there isn't as much time to chat on frequency and get to know each other like before.  


General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 10, 2010, 03:07:42 PM »
So lets see if I have this now.  Option #1 respond to Manuel and Justin about how to keep people interested within some type of reasonable learning environment.  Then there's option #2, dive in and start adding my thoughts on how large and all encompassing our documentation should be and whether or not the controller must learn it or simply learn how to referrance it because I have 4 major facilities in my artcc and that would be great if I didn't have to learn it all and still be a cool CTR controller, or #3, jump in with both feet and pick sides in the my artcc is better than your artcc arguement because it was your fault in the first place and how dare you insult my mother and....  [breath] .....   Oh wait. Oh whatever......

Jesus guys.  

"We have met the enemy and he is us"  (Pogo)


General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 10, 2010, 02:53:38 PM »
[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE [/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]3. There has been heavy attrition amongst controllers who work their way up through GND, TWR, Major TRACON, CTR and leave shortly after obtaining CTR certification. This tells me that after putting in all of their hard work, their expectations of the network were not met and they sought there entertainment elsewhere. It also may be a symptom of real life obligations crowding out time for VATSIM, or it may be a symptom of VATSIM burn out.[/quote]

Manny don't forget  that ever present mindset....... "I beat the game."


General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 10, 2010, 09:23:04 AM »
Quote from: Tom Seeley
For what it's worth, and I spoke to Brian about this, I think there is a clear distinction on the network between new members who honestly want to learn and who will cooperate with efforts to help them, and those who can't be bothered with even the most rudimentary of rules. It's my impression that the latter group is consistently increasing over time and has been the source of a fair number of complaints in the past. I don't have the solution, but I honestly think that while the VATSIM community does a commendable job with the first, it's truly in their best interest to address the latter.

And that I think is the heart of the matter.  The people who just don't want to take the time to learn anything. Now I don't see that there is much that can be done with a pilot other then to call a SUP and hope he is able to help. It's just the nature of the beast. But as far as new controllers are concerned I think that is something we can address.  Of course my solution may not be as all-inclusive as some people would like, but like anything else in this world you get out of something only what you put in. My theory is pretty simple; maybe this hobby is just not for everyone.

Look, if you pass the VATUSA S1 that means you must have read something. That's a great start. But come to me as an S1 who hasn't read more than just enough to get by and you won't. The whole process relies on the student doing some homework. It doesn't take much time to figure out if the student has read anything or just jumped into the controller pool. And it isn't our jobs to spoon feed them or cram the information into their heads.

Their job is to put in a little time and effort and our job is to make sure they understand what that time and effort is for and how to apply it. If you don't put in the time I won't waste mine.  I am a believer that there is no one that cannot be taught to do what we do.  But I am also of the belief that you cannot save someone from themselves. It's not my job to make you a controller. It's my job to make you a better controller.  And frankly, if the people who don't want to put any time into this are allowed to remain on the roster for any length of time all they do is corrupt the next group of newbies. And so these are the folks who remain an S1 forever and generally end up going away.

And if the write letters and complain to my boss so be it.  And this isn't about over-realistic standards or expectations.  I don't expect that anyone will sound like the guys who do this 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for 20 years. Yes this is a hobby, but I have other hobbies too and they all require a little serious attention every now and again. This one should be no different.

People have to learn that sometimes "no" is an answer. We can't be everything to everybody. We just are what we are and we should not be changing what has worked all these years just because a new generation of players want to make the game easier.  It has been said that "if it were easy everyone could do it".  Well we do make it pretty easy I think, but I don't think we should be "dumbing down" the basics to attract new people.

General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 09, 2010, 08:05:41 AM »
"We have met the enemy and he is us"   (Pogo)

General Discussion / C1 OTS on CHI_CTR / 10/15 2350Z-0300Z
« on: October 16, 2010, 03:26:18 PM »
Quote from: Harold Rutila


The Control Room Floor / Vis Ranges and VRC
« on: May 18, 2010, 08:05:09 AM »
I too use four vis centers but I find that 150 miles is more than enough to cover what I need to see.  


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