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General Discussion / Where's Management?
« on: January 13, 2011, 07:52:36 PM »
A while back I emailed Gary regarding this and the answer I got was he didn't have access. Not sure if that's changed since.
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General Discussion / Virtual Control
« on: January 02, 2011, 06:00:26 AM »
Sounds like a spinoff of VATSIM proposal?
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General Discussion / Where's Management?
« on: December 29, 2010, 03:50:37 PM »
Alan,
I can speak for myself and several of the ATM's who are online on a semi regular basis usually as Z##_ATM etc. , some of us also work as supervisors so you may see us on as XX_SUP.
Hope that answers your questions.
I can speak for myself and several of the ATM's who are online on a semi regular basis usually as Z##_ATM etc. , some of us also work as supervisors so you may see us on as XX_SUP.
Hope that answers your questions.
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The Flight Deck / OTS Tonight!
« on: December 09, 2010, 09:01:47 PM »
Congrats Ryan, welcome to enroute control!
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: December 05, 2010, 11:02:12 AM »Quote from: Scott DeWoody
You can put this in the "for what it's worth" catagory.
The way I see it, you have three different groups on here, 1. the far left, 2. the far right, and 3 the middle. Sounds to me like typical group dynamics, and btw, yes I did take group dynamics 101. And alot more.
So is the network going to the dogs... I think not, mainly because the largest group of the 3 is the one in the middle, who are happy to be here, appreciate all the hard work that goes into providing this "free" service, and will continue to stay, and some will contribute, and that's all good.
my .02
Well said Scott, and you hit it on the head, we have the liberal group (wide open) the conservative (the sky is falling, restrict everything) and the bulk in the middle who are ok with things.
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General Discussion / Joining NYARTCC
« on: December 04, 2010, 07:26:32 PM »
Justin,
There is often a time for the receiving facility to accept or deny the transfer. I believe it's up to 14 days for them to act.
If you don't hear back within say 10 days drop the ATM an email and CC the Northeastern ATD.
There is often a time for the receiving facility to accept or deny the transfer. I believe it's up to 14 days for them to act.
If you don't hear back within say 10 days drop the ATM an email and CC the Northeastern ATD.
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: December 03, 2010, 07:18:57 AM »
I have to agree with Bob 110%, the person should be 86'd as a staff member, the dup account closed down. Going further beyond that into the CoC realm isn't all that out of the question either.
I know RJ you can do it but if you want i'll be more than happy to dup out the account in question!
I know RJ you can do it but if you want i'll be more than happy to dup out the account in question!
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: December 02, 2010, 01:46:27 AM »
Andrew just some thoughts.
Fair and Balanced, that's a news slogan for Fox News, no where in VATSIM does it state we'll be fair and balanced in every aspect or any for the matter of fact.
Andrew I think you're off base with the leaders of this network being the bullied and taking it out on others. From day 1 VATSIM has been about inclusivity and not elitism or realism taking priority.
It's funny you mention the old days of SATCO with 300 members at a fly-in. Pilots back then were the same as now. In fact things were less realistic then on many fronts simply due to lack of the available material.
Now it's common for someone to fly an arrival as published, back then only a minority at best would spend the real money on publications with STARS/SIDS/Diagrams etc.
Sector files were basically big maps with VOR/NDBS/FIXES's and if you were lucky someone hard coded a diagram. Now we can add approaches, turn on/off all sorts of diagrams of all kinds, and get different radar modes.
Things have "advanced" a lot and at a good pace I think, for those that take it to the next level good for you, but remember the core focus of VATSIM has never been about "as real as it gets" as pointed out by David Klain in a post tonight. That's Microsofts slogan, just like Fox News uses Fair and Balanced. Neither are attributed to VATSIM.
(End Rant)
Fair and Balanced, that's a news slogan for Fox News, no where in VATSIM does it state we'll be fair and balanced in every aspect or any for the matter of fact.
Andrew I think you're off base with the leaders of this network being the bullied and taking it out on others. From day 1 VATSIM has been about inclusivity and not elitism or realism taking priority.
It's funny you mention the old days of SATCO with 300 members at a fly-in. Pilots back then were the same as now. In fact things were less realistic then on many fronts simply due to lack of the available material.
Now it's common for someone to fly an arrival as published, back then only a minority at best would spend the real money on publications with STARS/SIDS/Diagrams etc.
Sector files were basically big maps with VOR/NDBS/FIXES's and if you were lucky someone hard coded a diagram. Now we can add approaches, turn on/off all sorts of diagrams of all kinds, and get different radar modes.
Things have "advanced" a lot and at a good pace I think, for those that take it to the next level good for you, but remember the core focus of VATSIM has never been about "as real as it gets" as pointed out by David Klain in a post tonight. That's Microsofts slogan, just like Fox News uses Fair and Balanced. Neither are attributed to VATSIM.
(End Rant)
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The Control Room Floor / UNICOM a talking frequency?
« on: November 25, 2010, 04:35:02 PM »
Unicom defaults to the liveatc server if I remember right. To do a voice server on any of the others you'd have to connect via a VVL channel.
The boundaries for the range seems tied closely to what facility you are in with some degree of error as there isn't an exact square.
The boundaries for the range seems tied closely to what facility you are in with some degree of error as there isn't an exact square.
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 14, 2010, 09:15:46 PM »
Chris I think you misunderstood me, it's also the opinion of the founders from my understanding of their responses to the issues on the forums. There is no rule but on the flip policies like GRP prevent facilities from forcing the bar of realism onto the backs of the VATSIM membership.
As in my original post if someone is able to learn with VATSIM and grow that's great but the focus is not on making any facilities training that which is a stepping stone to the real thing. Some here want that ultra realistic 100% accurate training environment to which the founders have said was not the design, intent, or purpose of VATSIM.
As in my original post if someone is able to learn with VATSIM and grow that's great but the focus is not on making any facilities training that which is a stepping stone to the real thing. Some here want that ultra realistic 100% accurate training environment to which the founders have said was not the design, intent, or purpose of VATSIM.
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 14, 2010, 08:15:18 PM »Quote from: Matthew Bartels
What's the easy answer for those of us that have a disibility that prohibits us from that Brian?
I don't know of an easy answer Matthew, life is full of challenges for everyone. Part of living is working with those challenges to the best of our ability. Sometimes no matter how hard we try things just aren't obtainable and part of life is accepting that.
For me , age is a disability I can never become an FAA ATC because i've got less than 30 days till i'm 30 (I believe the cutoff is appointment by age 30).
I've come to accept that VATSIM will be the closest thing to working as an air traffic controller. I only have myself to blame for not pursuing the career earlier but that's beside the point.
VATSIM while for some like me and i'm guessing you allows us to throw on the headset and for a small period of time live the dream of being an air traffic controller. No matter how hard we try at the end of the day reality sets in that this is a simulation.
It's not meant to be a substitute or a training stepping stone for the real thing no matter how hard we want it. We have to accept the network for what it is and enjoy it for the same reasons.
I hope my post provides some clarity.
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 10, 2010, 06:12:17 PM »
The fighting needs to stop in this thread.
It's obvious some people have strong feelings about neighboring facilities and people past and present in staff positions there.
You guys are supposed to be leaders in your facilities, it's time to start acting like that and rise above petty fighting.
It's obvious some people have strong feelings about neighboring facilities and people past and present in staff positions there.
You guys are supposed to be leaders in your facilities, it's time to start acting like that and rise above petty fighting.
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General Discussion / Integrity of the Network
« on: November 10, 2010, 05:39:57 AM »
Derek VATSIM has existed for long enough that I don't in my opinion feel that this will burn down in flames. I wish you and the others the best in your future plans by the sounds of it.
As Gary said many people have done great work and made strides in the hobby and specifically to the division.
The realism factor has been a problem since day 1 of VATSIM and I in my heart of hearts believe that the founders knew this and have done the best they can while working to keep a balance.
As has been said previous while many have gained a career or grown to be the best darn controller in the virtual world the scale is always sliding. For every person that reaches mastery if you will at controlling there are several in the wings just starting up. The same goes for pilots as we have experienced pilots we have also gained the new and inexperienced.
With due respect to everyone who didn't come into this with real world experience, who the hell are we to suddenly raise the bar higher and push out people who lack the level of skill to be professional. If someone had done that to you 1, 2, 5, 10 years ago when you started my guess is you'd have a different opinion. What we have here people is a disconnection from where we came from and that is not an excuse to push progress and tighter restrictions onto the backs of new and future members of this network.
At the end of the day no matter how well intended a network is designed there will always be someone making a mistake. It happens IRL all the time in the aviation industry or else the NTSB wouldn't have a job. If those demanding ultra realism were actually held to the standard and made a mistake, would they be ok with being fired, in some countries thrown in jail? I'm being extreme here but that's what ultra realism becomes right?
People need to at the end of the day accept VATSIM for what it is, it is a place where people come to enjoy aviation. On a technical scale it's a computer simulation network that provides virtual ATC to virtual pilots.
It was never designed at it's core to be an professional ATC or Pilot training tool. To provide ultra realism for a select few.
It's about sharing the hobby of aviation with anyone who enjoys it using flight simulators and radar clients to facilitate giving a world of ATC to what would be a computer generated voice.
If someone learns a thing or two along the way then that's great, a lot of us are here for the community and that is what separates us from any of the competitors past, present, or future which try to give a niche to an already niche market.
For those that wish to have ultra realism I challenge you to seek out a career in that field, take college courses as some already have and embrace real life for what it is. Take it to the next level.
To that same group I ask this, rather than become jaded towards new members embrace them and teach them. Remember where you came from and don't try to steal what we have made here as a community.
As Gary said many people have done great work and made strides in the hobby and specifically to the division.
The realism factor has been a problem since day 1 of VATSIM and I in my heart of hearts believe that the founders knew this and have done the best they can while working to keep a balance.
As has been said previous while many have gained a career or grown to be the best darn controller in the virtual world the scale is always sliding. For every person that reaches mastery if you will at controlling there are several in the wings just starting up. The same goes for pilots as we have experienced pilots we have also gained the new and inexperienced.
With due respect to everyone who didn't come into this with real world experience, who the hell are we to suddenly raise the bar higher and push out people who lack the level of skill to be professional. If someone had done that to you 1, 2, 5, 10 years ago when you started my guess is you'd have a different opinion. What we have here people is a disconnection from where we came from and that is not an excuse to push progress and tighter restrictions onto the backs of new and future members of this network.
At the end of the day no matter how well intended a network is designed there will always be someone making a mistake. It happens IRL all the time in the aviation industry or else the NTSB wouldn't have a job. If those demanding ultra realism were actually held to the standard and made a mistake, would they be ok with being fired, in some countries thrown in jail? I'm being extreme here but that's what ultra realism becomes right?
People need to at the end of the day accept VATSIM for what it is, it is a place where people come to enjoy aviation. On a technical scale it's a computer simulation network that provides virtual ATC to virtual pilots.
It was never designed at it's core to be an professional ATC or Pilot training tool. To provide ultra realism for a select few.
It's about sharing the hobby of aviation with anyone who enjoys it using flight simulators and radar clients to facilitate giving a world of ATC to what would be a computer generated voice.
If someone learns a thing or two along the way then that's great, a lot of us are here for the community and that is what separates us from any of the competitors past, present, or future which try to give a niche to an already niche market.
For those that wish to have ultra realism I challenge you to seek out a career in that field, take college courses as some already have and embrace real life for what it is. Take it to the next level.
To that same group I ask this, rather than become jaded towards new members embrace them and teach them. Remember where you came from and don't try to steal what we have made here as a community.
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General Discussion / VATSIM is only as good as the number of Controllers
« on: November 05, 2010, 01:27:12 AM »
Ok so don't report the politics Greg but do tell us your experience and bring any questions here, we are here to help after all!
Send the politics to Gary and his boss (VATNA1) that's what they get paid to handle.
Send the politics to Gary and his boss (VATNA1) that's what they get paid to handle.
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The Control Room Floor / LCTP Airports
« on: September 15, 2010, 11:50:07 PM »Quote from: Timothy Aaron
So i get it now the whole thread is about outdated ATC SOPS, how many other ARTCC's have the same issue. We have an SOP thats 5 times longer than anyone else. Its shouldn't be people's business from other ARTCC's to come and say we did something wrong when we really didn't. I'm not going to go (for example not pointing a finger) and say ZTL has outdated SOP or something in it isn't right. That is called snitching and just being ridiculous. The SOP was before GRP2 so in reality we are being called out for a outdated SOP. Congratulations, really i applaud your efforts for keeping an eye on us. If your going to do something like that, there is no need to post it over in a forum that has been the same way for years, full of never ending threads. You have a problem with this post you send an email to me personally at [email protected] and we can talk about it.
This is likely my last reply to this post.
Looking back the question was raised specifically about the policy in general with no ARTCC named. ZMP took it upon itself to challenge Jason in an open forum and 'out' themselves. Obviously it became an argument between the two and in my attempt to point out this is not limited to them it's snowballed.
That's why I am not disclosing the facility I found with an oudated policy and have sent it in private to the ATD and Gary. Now if that facility becomes upset and 'outs' themselves then that is their problem and not mine as i'm protecting their identity from becoming a public issue.
The ATD's are ultimately responsible for ensuring their facilities are 'up to code', it's not my place to do their job BUT I feel it's prudent for me as a tenured VATSIM member if I notice an issue to notify the appropriate ATD of the facility. It's then up to them to decide what sort of action if any is needed.
I myself don't spend my free time hunting down facility SOP's and policies for 'violations' and only became curious when this topic was brought to light and ZMP outed itself. When asked to post the specific example, I did.
Part of the job description as i've understood it for ATM's to manage their facilities. GRP's been out for long enough for each facilities staff to proactively ensure they are in compliance. If they haven't, no harm no foul, things happen but without beating a dead horse perhaps now is a good time to give that spring cleaning to the policy folder so we don't have any issues going forward.
ZMP staff have stated they are working on an update, that should resolve the issues that have been brought up.