What's wrong with that?  If I pull you off and send you direct to the IAP for an instrument approach it's expeditious flow of air traffic.  Nothing wrong with it in the least and done rw as well.

I do this all the time, especially when there isn't any traffic. My personal record...clearing an ILS 125 miles out. Muahahaha!

Tracon:
http://denartcc.org/training/Videos/FNO ... RACON.html

En Route
http://denartcc.org/training/Videos/FNO/2011/FNO2011_2.html

Me thinks the first one broke...

In response to the original question; I believe that the amount of pilot knowledge has been dropping. I can even notice it even though I have only been a part of the network for a year. However, I believe it is a community that is required to deal with the problem. I know plenty of controllers that when a new pilot tries to get help who obviously is just starting out on VATSIM is ignored. The controllers are no longer offering this to new pilots. I believe it is a general attitude that drives this. The general attitude used to be "welcome to the network" compared to now being "I'm busy, read the PRC". Lets be honest, nobody wants to read the PRC when they first join VATSIM. They are supposed to but reading a long document just isn't very interesting; especially if you are just trying the network out. It is important that people give back to VATSIM. Remember when each one of us joined the network, lost, not knowing what to do. It was through one of the members that we were able to enjoy this network. Something has gone terribly wrong; now its an exclusive club that only those that know can join.

I don't think it's something new we have to implement or anything, just our mindsets toward helping out the new pilots.

Don't be too sure about that.

Like I mentioned before, KLAS does have "spots" similar to holding points. They aren't located on any Airport diagram that I've seen at NACO/Aeronav, and the aren't in the AF/D. But they are there. There are 22 of them:

• C2, sort of C.
• C3, short of C.
• West of C3, southwest facing, short of C.
• West of C3, southeast facing, short of C.
• West of C4, southwest facing, short of C.
• West of C4, southeast facing, short of C.
• C5, short of C.
• C6, short of C.
• B4, short of C.
• West of B4, short of C.
• B5, short of C.
• In Holding Pad #3, short of C.
• west of Holding Pad #3.
• west of Spot 14, west of Holding Pad #3.
• B7, short of C.
• north of Holding Pads #1 and #2, on W, short of G.
• G1, short of G.
• G2, short of G.
• on S, between the North and South Holding pads, short of D.
• Facing west, short of D and P.
• Facing Northwest short of D and N.
• Facing Northwest, North of N, short of D.

You can see these via Google Earth/Maps. I'm still looking for the official reference for those without imposing on our contacts at the Tower.

The reason we are not using the spots is two-fold. First reason being that the spots are all in the Ramp area, which we are treating as non-movement here on VATSIM, while in the real world, they are controlled, but NOT by the Ground controller. There is a separate Ramp control that operates the ramp area, and uses these spots as entering/leaving points for transitioning to/from Ground. Second reason we don't use them is that we don't get as much traffic as KLAS really does. If we did, we certainly would. Currently, only the old SimFlyers KLAS scenery and the FSDreamTeam scenery depicts this. Other sceneries do not have them.

But to say that we don't have them isn't really right. We do, but we just don't use them for one reason or another.

BL.

these points are not depicted on the faa airport diagrams. but i can tell you, the jeppesen airport diagrams depict this information. now as to realism about sending pilots over to the artcc website, that cannot be related as all r/w pilots have jeppesen charts and those display all this information prominently. this is just something we cannot ask every pilot on vatsim to buy a copy of. if the pilot has these points, he will call saying where hes at and you can assume that position is the exact same as the one you are seeing on your control screen.