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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Michael Bertolini on December 26, 2009, 02:23:45 PM
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Hey All,
Just if no one heared, but the FAA put a new regulation for flying (real world). The new regulation is, for the last 1 hour of the flight, you can not get up, or have anything in your lap ( not even a newpaper or snack).
Just a few words of wisdom for any of your flying soon, so that you're not questioned!
Hope this helps, in the real world!
Mike Bertolini
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not gonna happen on VATSIM
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Hey All,
Just if no one heared, but the FAA put a new regulation for flying (real world). The new regulation is, for the last 1 hour of the flight, you can not get up, or have anything in your lap ( not even a newpaper or snack).
Just a few words of wisdom for any of your flying soon, so that you're not questioned!
Hope this helps, in the real world!
Mike Bertolini
Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."
TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing
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Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."
TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing
+1.
I haven't been able to find anything or anyone who knows about this.
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Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."
TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing
The Associated Press has reported new TSA rules require that all passengers and crew remain seated during the last hours of flight. The TSA has neither confirmed or denied the new regulations.
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Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."
TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...BDuKg&pos=9 (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a30thZpBDuKg&pos=9)
http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=11732573 (http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=11732573)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=121929781 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121929781)
From the NPR report:
[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE [/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]Some airlines were telling passengers that they would be prohibited from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing because of new security regulations. In a statement Saturday, Air Canada said new Transportation Security Administration rules limit on-board activities in U.S. airspace.[/quote]
I still don't know why the TSA is sticking their head into this, because this was clearly a failure of security at EHAM. Besides, if this was on him, what good would keeping people stuck in their chairs do? The guy would only have to lean over to detonate what was attached to him, and off it goes again.
This is a joke.
BL.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...BDuKg&pos=9 (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a30thZpBDuKg&pos=9)
http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=11732573 (http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=11732573)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=121929781 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121929781)
From the NPR report:
I still don't know why the TSA is sticking their head into this, because this was clearly a failure of security at EHAM. Besides, if this was on him, what good would keeping people stuck in their chairs do? The guy would only have to lean over to detonate what was attached to him, and off it goes again.
This is a joke.
BL.
It's a Federal Government employee protecting their job. If they didn't do anything to appear to take necessary precautions they would be fired. A person tries to explode a shoe bomb on board an aircraft with a cigarette lighter so now you can't carry a lighter on board and you have to take off your shoes at the check point. A person brings an explosive liquid on board and now you can't bring certain size containers of liquid on board. If this keeps up we will be required to fly naked and won't be able to bring any luggage.
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... If this keeps up we will be required to fly naked and won't be able to bring any luggage.
Shackled pig style of course!
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Well, I guess this actually does have some legitimacy. I simply couldn't believe it that this was actually a security directive, particularly when it comes to enforcement on the aircraft. Hopefully that's only temporary. Again, sorry Mike, but I just couldn't believe it!
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It's a Federal Government employee protecting their job. If they didn't do anything to appear to take necessary precautions they would be fired. A person tries to explode a shoe bomb on board an aircraft with a cigarette lighter so now you can't carry a lighter on board and you have to take off your shoes at the check point. A person brings an explosive liquid on board and now you can't bring certain size containers of liquid on board. If this keeps up we will be required to fly naked and won't be able to bring any luggage.
This is where common sense comes into play. If the American people know and have to deal with the hightened security we've had since 9/11, we already know how it would be hard for us to get any sort of incendiary device onboard a plane for a domestic flight. We already know that we won't, let alone aren't going to be able to do this. I say again, is it the fault of the TSA or DHS that this occurred? On top of that, were any DOMESTIC flights affected by this incident to force the TSA or DHS to implement this on all DOMESTIC flights as well?
If not, this is a bloody joke.
BL.
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The articles now seem to imply that these "rules" are only for US bound flights originating internationally. I agree with BL.
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There is a new Tarmac rule now that was relased by the media the other day. It states that if the flight is sitting on the tarmac for three hours, it must return to the gate.
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There is a new Tarmac rule now that was relased by the media the other day. It states that if the flight is sitting on the tarmac for three hours, it must return to the gate.
This isn't due to terrorism. It stems from the incident where the plane landed and was forced to sit for hours because the terminal was closed.
As for the cabin lock down, it is in fact for international flights coming back into the US. If you need to use the restroom, you must ask a flight attendant and he/she will escort you and you are not allowed to carry anything with you (last hour of flight)
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+1.
I haven't been able to find anything or anyone who knows about this.
Exactly, thanks for filling me in! Sorry for the late response, I was told this by a ZBW Controller, and also saw it some news TV show, (CNN, FOX, something like that)
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Exactly, thanks for filling me in! Sorry for the late response, I was told this by a ZBW Controller, and also saw it some news TV show, (CNN, FOX, something like that)
Yea, what was weird is that the smaller media outlets (NPR, Bloomberg, and the local site linked in response to my original reply) started reporting it first before CNN and ABCNews. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the other majors, though. The TSA still doesn't have this directive on their website, though. A lot of it seems to be speculative, although it's clear something was sent out to international airlines.
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I still don't know why the TSA is sticking their head into this, because this was clearly a failure of security at EHAM.
I am not sure I would go so far as to say it was a failure as it is a lack of preparation. Having flown in and out of there a few times, it is worth mentioning that there has to be some consideration for the fact that they have not had a 9/11 style event and thus they would view airport security differently that we would. I have found the same to be true in places like DeGaulle airport in Paris & Prague-Runzyne, while London-Heathrow is decidedly more intense on security. It is just a question of what the Netherlands national government perceives to be a needed level of security at their airport, which is lower than what we deem necessary here.
At EHAM, you do not get screened until you get to the gate area, and it is just a metal detector and passport check. Once inside the gate area, you are not allowed to leave. There are no provisions for detecting explosives, etc. My understanding is that there was not any metal to speak of on this person. So it is just a matter of these folks looking across the landscape and selecting a departure point that is best suited to facilitate what they are trying to do.
Happy new year!
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soon the TSA will require that they supply our luggage, that we take all of our clothes off at the security checkpoint, and that we wear the paper "robe" that they give us at the checkpoint.
Eventually someone will drink/eat an explosive and only the pilots will be allowed on the plane.
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At EHAM, you do not get screened until you get to the gate area, and it is just a metal detector and passport check. Once inside the gate area, you are not allowed to leave. There are no provisions for detecting explosives, etc. My understanding is that there was not any metal to speak of on this person. So it is just a matter of these folks looking across the landscape and selecting a departure point that is best suited to facilitate what they are trying to do.
Happy new year!
So this brings up another question.
Looking at the map of the airport, and assuming they operate the same as KLAX does (if you want to go to a different terminal, you have to walk outside the building and re-enter at that specific terminal), you would have to go through security again and get screened. But what if you are in transit and do not leave the gate area? If your flight comes into the same area, and you are in transit, you wouldn't be getting screened again, unless you enter the country (by passing customs). This is how my flight was from KOMA-NZAA-YMML. As long as I didn't go through the doors to customs to enter the country, I was in transit, and was free to walk around the transit area in Auckland's airport terminal.
At least with respect to the TSA and at least based on the *********** that is Lagos Security, they should have rescreened every passenger, if not just those transiting to the NWA flight.
This makes me wonder, with how much in bed NWA has been with KLM over the years, if they'll shift US Customs clearances for US-bound flights for NWA/DAL to EHAM.. sort of like how BAW001 has their EGLC-KJFK customs done at Shannon while refueling.
BL.
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As said, there is a new rule comming out called the 1 Hour Rule for US bound flights. This one hour rule basically stops anyone from getting up or using any devices 1 hour prior to landing. They are also looking to shut off the in-flight live maps 1 hour prior to landing.
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So this brings up another question.
Looking at the map of the airport, and assuming they operate the same as KLAX does (if you want to go to a different terminal, you have to walk outside the building and re-enter at that specific terminal), you would have to go through security again and get screened. But what if you are in transit and do not leave the gate area? If your flight comes into the same area, and you are in transit, you wouldn't be getting screened again, unless you enter the country (by passing customs). This is how my flight was from KOMA-NZAA-YMML. As long as I didn't go through the doors to customs to enter the country, I was in transit, and was free to walk around the transit area in Auckland's airport terminal.
At least with respect to the TSA and at least based on the *********** that is Lagos Security, they should have rescreened every passenger, if not just those transiting to the NWA flight.
This makes me wonder, with how much in bed NWA has been with KLM over the years, if they'll shift US Customs clearances for US-bound flights for NWA/DAL to EHAM.. sort of like how BAW001 has their EGLC-KJFK customs done at Shannon while refueling.
BL.
Each gate on the international concourse is isolated from the others. The screening point is at the gate itself and the security personnel usually show up at the gate an hour or so before departure to screen everyone. I have not transferred at EHAM before, so I am not 100% sure, but based on the layout, I do not see any way you could get through an int'l connection without an additional screen.
DeGaulle was that way, I had an inbound from Prague connecting through Paris and had to go through customs and recheck/rescreen for the flight to Newark.
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Each gate on the international concourse is isolated from the others. The screening point is at the gate itself and the security personnel usually show up at the gate an hour or so before departure to screen everyone. I have not transferred at EHAM before, so I am not 100% sure, but based on the layout, I do not see any way you could get through an int'l connection without an additional screen.
DeGaulle was that way, I had an inbound from Prague connecting through Paris and had to go through customs and recheck/rescreen for the flight to Newark.
That's interesting to know, because NZAA was not that way when I transferred through there, nor was YMML, YSSY, or CYVR when I went there. Especially at NZAA, where there were at least 9 gates around me that I could get to without being rescreened. The in-transit area was huge; lengthy, but huge. It was a good 5 - 6 minute walk from the duty-free shops and sitting area to the gate. No rescreening required to get to the gate, either.
This was a UAL flight, at that.
BL.