General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joshua Tubbs on November 07, 2019, 05:22:56 pm

Title: Introducing Myself and my community
Post by: Joshua Tubbs on November 07, 2019, 05:22:56 pm
Hello everyone,

Recently, me and my friends have started to get into Vatsim and online flying.

Most of us are totally blind pilots who have been flying offline. I myself have been simming for about three years and stream most of it on Youtube and Twitch.

We wanted to do a group flight recently out of Newark, and figured that Vatsim would be the best way to do it. There is one critical issue that new blind pilots might have on Vatsim, and that is that we currently must slew to the runway after clearance.

Another issue is that there are doable Vatsim pilot clients, but there isn't one that is fully accessible. I was flying out of Phoenix last night and decided to logon to the network for my first flight. VatSpy appeared to have not refreshed KPHX and I didn't know that there were both an ATIS and ground on. It only showed a center. Unsure if I should go to him for clearance or whether I should simply announce my intentions over Unicom, I chose Unicom.

I announced my intention that I was departing runway 25 R. I did not mention that I needed to slew, however, and forgot to add such in the plan remarks.

When I got to the runway, I hear vPilot's audible message sound. Since it was the first time I got a message in vPilot, and I couldn't see anything on the messages tab. I eventually fumbled around and saw that the center controller had his own tab, but I selected it and still couldn't get my screen reader to read the message... the other parts of the app are pretty simple so I thought this was as well. Ended up disconnecting on the runway and doing the flight offline.

Does anybody know if there is a web-based alternative, perhaps, to VatSpy? Looking at the controllers for the country is great, but if you want to filter down to a specific icao code, getting to the toolbar and getting to the box to type that in could be confusing for beginners that I may want to fly with. I'd love a Vatsim client that uses standard Windows controls if possible.

Anyhow, just figured I'd introduce myself and my community. I hope to conduct my first flight soon.

Title: Re: Introducing Myself and my community
Post by: Rick Rump on November 07, 2019, 05:48:01 pm

Give a try for that. It should be JAWS or other reader accessible . . . I hope
Title: Re: Introducing Myself and my community
Post by: Joshua Tubbs on November 07, 2019, 06:08:03 pm
Thanks. Vattastic V2 preview is great, but the stable version of the site is very hard to navigate. With V2 I was quickly able to search for ATC at a given airport.
Title: Re: Introducing Myself and my community
Post by: Kurt Ernstsen on November 08, 2019, 12:47:36 pm
Welcome to VATSIM, we're glad you and your friends are here and enjoying all that VATSIM has to offer.  I have a question for you, and it's in no way intended to be offensive, just curiosity for my ignorant self.  What enjoyment does a blind pilot in a computer simulator get from flying?  I question this since in a sim you don't get the feeling of motion you would in a real aircraft, and begin blind you don't get the visual effects from the sim application itself.  You're not the first blind person I've read comments from, there are even forum postings on the VATSIM ATC forums from a blind person interested in ATC controlling on VATSIM.  Again, my curiosity has the best of me in that situation as well.

While VATSIM rules do prohibit spawning up on runway, or slewing from ramp to runway due to potential traffic hazards, I'm sure that adding a short description of your situation added to your flight plan remarks section will alert the controllers handling you, and they will surely accommodate whatever you need to do to have an enjoyable flight.  If you need to slew at a controlled airport, I'd suggest talking to the controller and asking if it's safe to slew before doing so, just to avoid "magically appearing" at a runway hold point in front of another taxing aircraft. 

I'm glad you are here and enjoying flying.  What an inspiration to those of us that can see and get frustrated when a sim's graphics occasionally glitch.
Title: Re: Introducing Myself and my community
Post by: Joshua Tubbs on November 08, 2019, 10:06:25 pm

I'm glad you asked. My Youtube channel isn't entirely devoted to simming, but I do have over 3 years of simming content from the first flight ever in FSX to today in Prepar3D.

A lot can be gained from the audio in a sim. I have bought and tested nearly every ATC addon available for simmers apart from VoxATC, and have different uses for each of them.

I have bought numerous aircraft soundpacks, I'm a big fan of utilities such as Air Hauler series, A Pilot's Life, ProjectFly, and the upcoming Skypark sounds cool, although with their latest announcement it appears they took away the one interface method that would make it accessible for us, the web. The SkyPad as a panel only in the sim similar to a payware FMC is bad news for us. It is why we are stuck using freeware aircraft, or payware aircraft such as virtualcol that doesn't mod the sim aircraft autopilot to use data that is inaccessible for us to input and program. Worse, third party developers of high end aircraft don't allow other programs to access the FMC. If they did, Multi Crew Experience for example devs for example can create a way to program the data by voice and have it read back to us.

I just had my first air to ground experience with another controller today and found it very enjoyable. Not to mention being entertained by other traffic for a few minutes was quite nice.

I did get a bit scared when my arrival center had gone offline, so only tower was online that I could've contacted. I was 12 miles out from my destination and wondered why I didn't get a contact me from center. I looked at VatSpy and found out.

However, should I get a contact me when I get in the tower airspace, or am I supposed to contact them manually when established? What about those times where there's no ILS/glideslope? Ended up disconnecting on approach because I was trying to figure out whether to just contact tower manually now or wait for a contact me.

Hope that answers your question Kurt. We substitute graphics with audio and utilities wherever possible, and the enjoyment and knowledge about flight concepts that naturally comes with this hobby is also helpful.

Title: Re: Introducing Myself and my community
Post by: Kurt Ernstsen on November 09, 2019, 12:59:02 pm
However, should I get a contact me when I get in the tower airspace, or am I supposed to contact them manually when established? What about those times where there's no ILS/glideslope? Ended up disconnecting on approach because I was trying to figure out whether to just contact tower manually now or wait for a contact me.

Thanks for the reply, very informative.  To answer your question regarding contacting tower or waiting for a contact me...

Assuming approach and tower are online, typically approach will say something like, "Delta 123, Contact tower on 126.55" when you are 5-7 miles out.  Your reply to approach would be something like, "Contact tower on 126.55, have a great night.  Delta 123."  At that point tune your radio to 126.55 and contact tower with, "DFW Tower, Delta 123 ILS approach on runway 17R."  Tower will then reply with, "Delta 123, DFW Tower, wind 180 at 9, runway 17R cleared to land."

Now in your situation where approach was offline, or they went offline while you were in approach's airspace, you should switch to UNICOM on 122.8 and announce your intentions to other pilots in the airspace.  Skip this if you are already on final.  Once inside tower's airspace, 5-7 miles out (anything under 10 miles out is generally acceptable), contact tower with the same phraseology as mentioned above.  Usually tower will not send a Contact Me until you are too close for comfort and have not established communications with them, typically when less than 3-5 miles out.  In the real world there's no "contact me", so for your safety and others contacting tower is your responsibility.  Contact Me is just a VATSIM thing for controllers to get the attention of simmers that might be on the wrong frequency or not paying attention.

If there is no ILS approach on the runway you've selected, if you are not established on the ILS, or if you are flying VFR, contact tower with something like, "DFW Tower, Delta 123 visual approach runway 17R" or "DFW Tower, Delta 123, 5 mile final runway 17R".  The point here is you are letting tower know that which runway you're heading to and that you are on final within their airspace.  Tower will know you're there already, you're just reminding them that you're there and you are on frequency ready for further instructions.  Usually you'll get cleared for landing immediately, or something along the lines of "continue approach to 17R" if you are a ways out and tower is dealing with other traffic at the moment.

Congrats on your first VATSIM flight.  No need to disconnect when things go a little off script.  As a controller myself we deal with hic-ups constantly and are trained to control traffic in the safest and most efficient manner.  If things are truly out of whack and present an immediate danger the controller will tell you to go around and fly the missed approach procedure (either published missed approach or give you further instructions).  It happens often on VATSIM due to the nature of most sim pilots who are there to learn and further their knowledge of ATC procedures, so don't feel bad or take offense if you're told to go around.  In some situations it may not even be your fault that you're instructed to go around.  Again, adding a short note about your visual situation to your flight plan remarks section will alert all controllers along your route, and they will be very understanding of any situations that may arise and how to properly handle you and other aircraft around you.  Don't be sacred of ATC, we're here to help you learn and provide as real of an experience as possible.  Controllers on the VATSIM network encounter inexperienced pilots all the time.  I can all but guarantee with your vest for learning ahead of time that with our without any visual impairments that you are already ahead of the game compared to some of the other pilots we encounter on the network.

Continue your education in ATC phraseology and never be afraid to connect to the network and practice what you've learned.  That's exactly what VATSIM is here for.  VATSTAR, among many other VATSIM pilot training organizations, has some great resources for learning ATC phraseology, and you can even certify you at various levels of pilot competency.  I highly recommend reviewing the information contained their lessons and even certifying on the various courses if you are interested.

I've thoroughly enjoined your comments here in this thread, and look forward to controlling you in the skies if you're ever in the ZFW airspace.