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More controllers won't fix the limited air space feeding into finals.

I think I understand what you mean. My point is that by opening up neighboring major airports giving incentive and choice to pilots, naturally it will be much easier to manage as traffic will be scattered and not funneled into one event airport.

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Events / Re: [10 APR 2020, 23Z - 03Z] Springtime in Philadelphia FNO
« on: April 10, 2020, 11:11:38 PM »
What a mess. DC Center on 133.72 couldn't even except traffic from Indy Center. Five planes had to diverted and two just disconnected because they got tired of holding for over an hour. They could except traffic from Atlanta however during my time holding as I watched planes cross over from Atlanta sectors. Indy Center had to keep apologizing to everyone.  https://prntscr.com/rx3b1w

Indy should be apologizing to everyone for not doing their part in trying to keep this event afloat - they were asked for 40 miles in trail, and they ended up with 5 MIT at the boundary to ZDC. After the handoffs were refused, they then dropped the track on planes and shipped them to ZDC anyways, which is a violation of many air traffic regulations. So, they were spun back into ZID airspace.

Don't blame ZDC - they've been doing as well as they could for an event that had more operations during this event than the last 12 hours real world.

Than maybe all the controllers for the event need to work together instead of blaming each other and having pilots fly circles all over the place for hours. Pilots are following the instructions given and were the ones getting hosed because of the lack of coordination between controllers. Sounds like a controller issue when neighboring ARTCC's cant work it out. Maybe FNO procedures need to be re-looked at due to the increased traffic loads due to real world situations. The last 3 FNO's have been like this.

Another thing that I didn't mention - airports like PHL with one primary arrival runway can usually run around a 42-48 aircraft arrival rate per hour - at one point, PHL had over 240 arrivals. The airport cannot physically handle as many planes as we were throwing at it.

Very simply FNO's must include other Major airports in the area. It should have been called East Coast Ops and everything from Boston down to Florida should have the opportunity for exposure and to be fully staffed.

When you advertise the FNO for a single field that's where everyone will want to fly into because that's where all the controllers are going to be. It's like a traffic jam during rush hour with all but one lane open.

With current events, surely everyone is eager to control and fly but due to the spotlight being on one airport on a Friday night, you end up with something even the real world couldn't handle.

Coordination between the ARTCC's will be more streamlined because then everyone will be included in the event.

Advertise and staff more airports and watch the traffic scatter because pilots will actually have more than one choice of where to fly into and out of with fully staffed ATC.

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Due to the current world situation daily traffic on Vatsim has tripled in size. It averages around 1900+ connections on quite days. The last few FNO's have turned into traffic jams due to the large amount of traffic. What use to be 100+ arrivals during a previous FNO is now around 250-300 just on the arrival side. Not sure if VATUSA is looking at a way to improve the traffic flow by adding more controllers or adding more arrival airport during the FNO. Tonight just for Philly I saw 71 departures and 260 arrivals when I looked. That doesn't even include all the traffic for the surrounding airports.

Just throwing this out there, FNO's are suppose to be fun. I know it's only temporary but for how long nobody knows. Just making some suggestions to see if things can be smoothed out some.

Very simply FNO's must include other Major airports in the area. It should have been called East Coast Ops and everything from Boston down to Florida should have the opportunity for exposure and to be fully staffed.

When you advertise the FNO for a single field that's where everyone will want to fly into because that's where all the controllers are going to be. It's like a traffic jam during rush hour with all but one lane open.

With current events, surely everyone is eager to control and fly but due to the spotlight being on one airport on a Friday night, you end up with something even the real world couldn't handle.

Coordination between the ARTCC's will be more streamlined because then everyone will be included in the event.

Advertise and staff more airports and watch the traffic scatter because pilots will actually have more than one choice of where to fly into and out of with fully staffed ATC.


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