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The Classroom (Controller Tips) / Re: S46 16C Final Approach Vectors
« on: August 14, 2018, 12:58:54 PM »
Thanks for the post Dhruv! Looking forward to watching this.
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Bringing back an old post cause I was messing around in the sim again tonight. Here's the death scenario for M98... Basically running finals to MSP at the max rate for about 25 minutes...combined. Normally we'd have final de-combined north and south, but for training purposes, and cause who doesn't like pain, we combined them. This scenario is basically ran at the very end of training just to see what the absolute breaking point of the student ends up being. I'm curious how other facilities in VATUSA progress students through radar training! Start them slow and work them up through busier problems? Break down each TRACON position one at a time? Let me know what you guys do!
However, keep in mind that 7110.65 does not apply to pilots.
Bingo. There are no phraseology requirements on pilots. Suggestions, yes, but nothing codified. Nothing even mandates ICAO phonetics other than ICAO itself... which is non-binding. Even for controllers, JO 7340.2 says that controller "should" use ICAO phonetics, not even "shall."
"newbie one two three albert baker, not a heavy, just in my cessna lawnmower, want to do the landing thingy where i taxi off the runway to go fly fly one more time" is a legal pilot request.
It's like saying "with you." It's unnecessary. Furthermore, he was a controller. It turns out that he was an I1 (which I didn't know).
Unnecessary? Perhaps. We will never know the context in which it was used.
Remember, we are all just amateurs at this. Very few of us have had any formal ATC education. Just like in the real world, you will most certainly run into instructors with varying levels of knowledge.
"newbie one two three albert baker, not a heavy, just in my cessna lawnmower, want to do the landing thingy where i taxi off the runway to go fly fly one more time" is a legal pilot request.
For the record, I am just kidding when I say this....
Yeah, but "aircraft calling, stand by, expect a four hour delay" is a legal controller reply
However, keep in mind that 7110.65 does not apply to pilots.
Bingo. There are no phraseology requirements on pilots. Suggestions, yes, but nothing codified. Nothing even mandates ICAO phonetics other than ICAO itself... which is non-binding. Even for controllers, JO 7340.2 says that controller "should" use ICAO phonetics, not even "shall."
"newbie one two three albert baker, not a heavy, just in my cessna lawnmower, want to do the landing thingy where i taxi off the runway to go fly fly one more time" is a legal pilot request.
It is important to remember a basic tenant of human psychology is an individual would rather be viewed as anything except stupid. Positive praise? Love it. Being setup to look stupid? Common reason a student (of any age) acts up in a classroom school setting...to avoid answering the question and looking (in their eyes) like a fool. Better to be known as a problem child than to look ignorant/stupid/a failure.
Often it is not someone's desire to or not to accept guidance, it is how the information was presented which can present a barrier. A criticism of performance, which fundamentally is what guidance often is, shouldn't be done in a public setting. Just because the giver doesn't see it as a problem doesn't mean the receiver won't. For most people, there is some topic/issue in their life they would have a royal fit being criticized about in a public venue. Sometimes we need to remember that translates to the virtual world as well.