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Simple Insanity / FAA 2020 hiring bid
« on: January 02, 2020, 09:59:29 AM »
If any of you are interested, the FAA's 2020 hiring bid is scheduled to open on January 24. It will be posted on usajobs.gov. If you are interested, you should setup an account now an start putting all your info in now. They're usually only open for 3 days or so once posted.
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The Control Room Floor / Re: Fun in Chapter 5: The Difference Between a Handoff and a Pointout
« on: December 18, 2018, 11:46:28 AM »
I am also basing my view off real world. I am an en route CPC and have never came across someone who would not do further point outs. There is no excuse to not do it and if someone refused then I would simply convert it into a handoff.
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The Control Room Floor / Re: Fun in Chapter 5: The Difference Between a Handoff and a Pointout
« on: December 18, 2018, 08:15:38 AM »
It's not always so cut and dry. The map you drew is a very simplified map. Sometimes there are sectors much closer that aren't even depicted on your scope because they might be at an adjacent facility. The ones that get away who are climbing, it could be a poor decision to point out to begin with or it might just be that an aircraft was doing 1500 feet per minute, at the time, it was estimated he would climb outside your stratum in 3 minutes but then later dropped to 500 feet.
Things happen. The simple solution is to call the next guy and say, "hey...can you take care of any other point outs that XXX might need?" The answer is going to be "wilco" and then that's the end of it. The thing I'm trying to emphasize here, as you've already said you understand what I'm talking about, is that you are ultimately responsible for any coordination until the aircraft gets 2.5 miles inside the sector that accepted the handoff.
Things happen. The simple solution is to call the next guy and say, "hey...can you take care of any other point outs that XXX might need?" The answer is going to be "wilco" and then that's the end of it. The thing I'm trying to emphasize here, as you've already said you understand what I'm talking about, is that you are ultimately responsible for any coordination until the aircraft gets 2.5 miles inside the sector that accepted the handoff.
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The Control Room Floor / Re: Fun in Chapter 5: The Difference Between a Handoff and a Pointout
« on: December 17, 2018, 11:42:16 PM »
In your particular drawing, Sector B would be responsible for the point out to Sector C. However, if the aircraft's route of flight was more diagonal and it entered Sector A on a very shallow angle, ran the boundary, and never entered Sector B by more than 2.5 miles by the time it hits Sector C then that is your point out.
*edit* Reference new attached picture with green line being route. This is a scenario where sectors are squares essentially so it's a little harder to understand the practicality of this happening when they are like that. Bottom line...boundary runners are terrible and you should always handoff to the next sector unless you can fully see how it will exit the sector you are pointing out to and see it exit by more than 2.5 miles from any other sector.
A much more common scenario would be if you point out a climber and then the climber ends up climbing like garbage and gets with another low stratum sector that you don't see then that is your point out too even though you may not know it exists.
*edit* Reference new attached picture with green line being route. This is a scenario where sectors are squares essentially so it's a little harder to understand the practicality of this happening when they are like that. Bottom line...boundary runners are terrible and you should always handoff to the next sector unless you can fully see how it will exit the sector you are pointing out to and see it exit by more than 2.5 miles from any other sector.
A much more common scenario would be if you point out a climber and then the climber ends up climbing like garbage and gets with another low stratum sector that you don't see then that is your point out too even though you may not know it exists.
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The Control Room Floor / Re: Fun in Chapter 5: The Difference Between a Handoff and a Pointout
« on: December 16, 2018, 07:33:22 PM »
It's important to understand that you are responsible for any coordination needed with further sectors during a point out. So if you have a boundary runner and you point him out to Sector A and hand him off to Sector B but later on the aircraft gets to Sector C without being more than 2.5 miles from Sector A then you are responsible for that even if it's 100 miles away and don't even know the sector exists. There is no requirement for Sector A to do the point out even though common sense would tell Sector A that you're not going to do the point out.
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The Classroom (Controller Tips) / Re: Positive Separation
« on: September 21, 2016, 11:36:31 PM »
There is a giant difference between giving someone a crossing restriction and then having an aircraft fly underneath said crossing restriction. That is definitely not positive separation. However, to stretch positive separation into saying you can't take a handoff on two aircraft that are in conflict 100 miles out is absurd. The real concern should be how much time until the conflict. A conflict 100 miles away with one aircraft on a 090 heading and the other on a 080 heading and they're still 20 miles lateral is going to be a while. Opposite direction...not so much.
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