New United States domestic flight regulations

Michael Bertolini · « **on:** December 26, 2009, 02:23:45 PM »

Hey All,

Just if no one heared, but the FAA put a new regulation for flying (real world). The new regulation is, for the last 1 hour of the flight, you can not get up, or have anything in your lap ( not even a newpaper or snack).

Just a few words of wisdom for any of your flying soon, so that you're not questioned!

Hope this helps, in the real world!

Mike Bertolini

Jon Stoops · « **Reply #1 on:** December 26, 2009, 02:35:51 PM »

not gonna happen on VATSIM

Harold Rutila · « **Reply #2 on:** December 26, 2009, 02:53:46 PM »

Quote from: Mike Bertolini

Hey All,

Just if no one heared, but the FAA put a new regulation for flying (real world). The new regulation is, for the last 1 hour of the flight, you can not get up, or have anything in your lap ( not even a newpaper or snack).

Just a few words of wisdom for any of your flying soon, so that you're not questioned!

Hope this helps, in the real world!

Mike Bertolini

Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."

TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing

Alex Evins · « **Reply #3 on:** December 26, 2009, 02:55:18 PM »

Quote from: Harold Rutila

Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."

TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing

+1.

I haven't been able to find anything or anyone who knows about this.

Jon Stoops · « **Reply #4 on:** December 26, 2009, 03:48:43 PM »

Quote from: Harold Rutila

Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."

TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing

The Associated Press has reported new TSA rules require that all passengers and crew remain seated during the last hours of flight. The TSA has neither confirmed or denied the new regulations.

Brad Littlejohn · « **Reply #5 on:** December 26, 2009, 03:50:04 PM »

Quote from: Harold Rutila

Sorry Mike, but this is complete bogus. What is your source? All local media is reporting the attempted terror plot over Detroit from yesterday as their top story, and I have not heard anything about this new "regulation."

TSA.gov - nothing
FAA.gov - nothing

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...BDuKg&pos=9
http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=11732573
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=121929781

From the NPR report:

[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE [/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]Some airlines were telling passengers that they would be prohibited from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing because of new security regulations. In a statement Saturday, Air Canada said new Transportation Security Administration rules limit on-board activities in U.S. airspace.[/quote]

I still don't know why the TSA is sticking their head into this, because this was clearly a failure of security at EHAM. Besides, if this was on him, what good would keeping people stuck in their chairs do? The guy would only have to lean over to detonate what was attached to him, and off it goes again.

This is a joke.

BL.

Jon Stoops · « **Reply #6 on:** December 26, 2009, 04:15:40 PM »

Quote from: Brad Littlejohn

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...BDuKg&pos=9
http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=11732573
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=121929781

From the NPR report:

I still don't know why the TSA is sticking their head into this, because this was clearly a failure of security at EHAM. Besides, if this was on him, what good would keeping people stuck in their chairs do? The guy would only have to lean over to detonate what was attached to him, and off it goes again.

This is a joke.

BL.

It's a Federal Government employee protecting their job. If they didn't do anything to appear to take necessary precautions they would be fired. A person tries to explode a shoe bomb on board an aircraft with a cigarette lighter so now you can't carry a lighter on board and you have to take off your shoes at the check point. A person brings an explosive liquid on board and now you can't bring certain size containers of liquid on board. If this keeps up we will be required to fly naked and won't be able to bring any luggage.

Gerry Hattendorf · « **Reply #7 on:** December 26, 2009, 05:05:31 PM »

Quote from: Jon Stoops

... If this keeps up we will be required to fly naked and won't be able to bring any luggage.

Shackled pig style of course!

Harold Rutila · « **Reply #8 on:** December 26, 2009, 11:30:50 PM »

Well, I guess this actually does have some legitimacy. I simply couldn't believe it that this was actually a security directive, particularly when it comes to enforcement on the aircraft. Hopefully that's only temporary. Again, sorry Mike, but I just couldn't believe it!

Brad Littlejohn · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2009, 01:38:21 AM »

Quote from: Jon Stoops

It's a Federal Government employee protecting their job. If they didn't do anything to appear to take necessary precautions they would be fired. A person tries to explode a shoe bomb on board an aircraft with a cigarette lighter so now you can't carry a lighter on board and you have to take off your shoes at the check point. A person brings an explosive liquid on board and now you can't bring certain size containers of liquid on board. If this keeps up we will be required to fly naked and won't be able to bring any luggage.

This is where common sense comes into play. If the American people know and have to deal with the hightened security we've had since 9/11, we already know how it would be hard for us to get any sort of incendiary device onboard a plane for a domestic flight. We already know that we won't, let alone aren't going to be able to do this. I say again, is it the fault of the TSA or DHS that this occurred? On top of that, were any DOMESTIC flights affected by this incident to force the TSA or DHS to implement this on all DOMESTIC flights as well?

If not, this is a bloody joke.

BL.

Alex Evins · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2009, 10:44:49 AM »

The articles now seem to imply that these "rules" are only for US bound flights originating internationally. I agree with BL.

Salvatore Barcia · « **Reply #11 on:** December 27, 2009, 11:56:14 AM »

There is a new Tarmac rule now that was relased by the media the other day. It states that if the flight is sitting on the tarmac for three hours, it must return to the gate.

Alex Bailey · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2009, 12:05:30 PM »

Quote from: Salvatore Barcia

There is a new Tarmac rule now that was relased by the media the other day. It states that if the flight is sitting on the tarmac for three hours, it must return to the gate.

This isn't due to terrorism. It stems from the incident where the plane landed and was forced to sit for hours because the terminal was closed.

As for the cabin lock down, it is in fact for international flights coming back into the US. If you need to use the restroom, you must ask a flight attendant and he/she will escort you and you are not allowed to carry anything with you (last hour of flight)

Michael Bertolini · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2009, 12:07:31 PM »

Quote from: Alex Evins

+1.

I haven't been able to find anything or anyone who knows about this.

Exactly, thanks for filling me in! Sorry for the late response, I was told this by a ZBW Controller, and also saw it some news TV show, (CNN, FOX, something like that)

Harold Rutila · « **Reply #14 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:47:54 PM »

Quote from: Mike Bertolini

Exactly, thanks for filling me in! Sorry for the late response, I was told this by a ZBW Controller, and also saw it some news TV show, (CNN, FOX, something like that)

Yea, what was weird is that the smaller media outlets (NPR, Bloomberg, and the local site linked in response to my original reply) started reporting it first before CNN and ABCNews. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the other majors, though. The TSA still doesn't have this directive on their website, though. A lot of it seems to be speculative, although it's clear something was sent out to international airlines.