v7340.2 ISR

Kyle Sanders

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v7340.2 ISR
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:21:17 pm »
Hello All,

I am in need of the collective knowledge here.

At ZLC, we have a command that opens your browser to a webpage that tells you the aircrafts telephony. It is not the most efficient method for finding this information so we wish to upgrade it to what we coined as an "In-Scope Reference (ISR)" message.

This ISR would return both the 3 Letter Identifier (3LD) and Telephony of an air-carrier within the scopes frequency text box so that nobody other than the user can see this information. (for those that are familiar, it is simply an override message to yourself)

The command will be just .id. Then without a space, the user would type out either the 3LD of the carrier in question or the name they heard the pilot refer to themselves as.

Example:

.idBAW (enter)

or

.idSPEEDBIRD (enter)

would return in the scope:

“3LD: BAW ____ Telephony: SPEEDBIRD”


The data will be based off of the FAA JO Order 7340.2 but I wish to include common fake airlines and various uses of these 3LDs.

Please use this form to submit any of the following. The more the better.
https://forms.gle/t1MA1VX5MBBn2juh9


1) A virtual airline that uses a real world Telephony but not the real world 3LD. Example: One of the major Delta Virtual Airlines goes by “Delta” Telephony but uses DVA as their 3LD instead of the real world DAL.


2) A virtual airline that uses a real world 3LD but uses a different Telephony on VATSIM. Example: Canadian Express Virtual Airlines uses the 3LD of CXA which is “XIAMEN AIR” in real world.


3)  A virtual airline that uses a fictitious 3LD and airline name. Example: 3LD: VVX, Telephony: Example Air


When I am done with the alias file, I will share it here as an edit to this OP and as a reply to this thread.
Example of the ISR attached
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 07:56:34 pm by Kyle Sanders »
Best Regards,
Kyle Sanders
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Dhruv Kalra

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Re: v7340.2 ISR
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2020, 09:13:52 am »
1) A virtual airline that uses a real world Telephony but not the real world 3LD. Example: One of the major Delta Virtual Airlines goes by “Delta” Telephony but uses DVA as their 3LD instead of the real world DAL.
This is incorrect. DVA pilots using DVA are doing so contrary to the airline’s policies. The DVA#### is a strictly internal identification at DVA and they should be using DAL or the appropriate Connection carrier callsign on the network.
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Kyle Sanders

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Re: v7340.2 ISR
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2020, 09:17:13 am »
1) A virtual airline that uses a real world Telephony but not the real world 3LD. Example: One of the major Delta Virtual Airlines goes by “Delta” Telephony but uses DVA as their 3LD instead of the real world DAL.
This is incorrect. DVA pilots using DVA are doing so contrary to the airline’s policies. The DVA#### is a strictly internal identification at DVA and they should be using DAL or the appropriate Connection carrier callsign on the network.

Ah, I didn’t know this. I did assume that it was their policy to fly under that 3LD due to the amount of pilots doing so. However, with the massive amount of pilots that do so, do you think it would be a good idea to put it into this ISR?
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Kyle Sanders
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Re: v7340.2 ISR
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2020, 09:31:55 am »
DVA will forever be discovery air so long as there are pilots misguided enough to fly under it as Delta
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Kyle Sanders

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Re: v7340.2 ISR
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 09:34:36 am »
DVA will forever be discovery air so long as there are pilots misguided enough to fly under it as Delta

😂

Sad ignorant question here... if this is such an issue, has anyone reached out to the VA to encourage them to educate their pilots and possibly even make it a policy to not fly a DVA 3LD?
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Kyle Sanders
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Re: v7340.2 ISR
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 11:37:16 am »
DVA will forever be discovery air so long as there are pilots misguided enough to fly under it as Delta
So it is ordered.

Sad ignorant question here... if this is such an issue, has anyone reached out to the VA to encourage them to educate their pilots and possibly even make it a policy to not fly a DVA 3LD?

Yes.

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Dhruv Kalra

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Re: v7340.2 ISR
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 12:00:35 pm »
Sad ignorant question here... if this is such an issue, has anyone reached out to the VA to encourage them to educate their pilots and possibly even make it a policy to not fly a DVA 3LD?
It already is the policy. As Ron White so eloquently put it, “you can’t fix stupid”.
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