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Events / Re: 7/17 In Paradise v1.1
« Last post by Dillon Marshall on Today at 11:38:47 am »
Bump event tomorrow make sure to enter the giveaway if you don’t have the 717!

The thing that took me by surprise is that the form seemed as if it was intended to be filled out after the event, since it asks how you liked the event and how to make it better going forward?
It was intended to be filled out from how it was last year as well as people can fill it out tomorrow for how this years event was
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Events / Re: [29 July 2018 1100-2100z] The Holland-America Line
« Last post by Krikor Hajian on Today at 11:01:18 am »
All,

We're just a little under two weeks away! Below is the combined briefing; make sure to book your flight ASAP at the link above! See you there.
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Events / Re: 7/17 In Paradise v1.1
« Last post by Matthew Kosmoski on Today at 09:39:44 am »
Bump event tomorrow make sure to enter the giveaway if you don’t have the 717!

The thing that took me by surprise is that the form seemed as if it was intended to be filled out after the event, since it asks how you liked the event and how to make it better going forward?
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News / Re: New Data Services Manager for VATUSA
« Last post by Vishaank Ghai on July 16, 2018, 09:37:41 pm »
Congratulations Blake! A very well deserved position. Can't wait to see all that you bring at the division level :)
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Events / Re: 7/17 In Paradise v1.1
« Last post by Dillon Marshall on July 16, 2018, 07:16:07 pm »
Bump event tomorrow make sure to enter the giveaway if you don’t have the 717!
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And having such scenarios are a common real-world training tool. It isn't limited to being a VATSIMism.
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News / Re: ZLA's New Event Coordinator - Rory Hennessy
« Last post by Brayden Manzella on July 16, 2018, 03:52:58 pm »
Congrats!
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When I was a TA I had all my students going for major approach run through our "Death File" at least once or twice (twice to see or show improvement, not passing). It wasn't required but I used it as a learning guide to FNO level traffic. We also had a file called "fix the mess". That file contained targets that were not sequence, etc. I'm sure we all have been put in situations during an FNO where a controller in the next sector froze up, lost connection, rage quit or a combination of the three. I think its important to understand both concepts and be able to dig your sector out of a hole when the time comes.

The "death file", or whatever you want to call it, shouldn't be used to degrade the students and I'm sure ZMP and the rest of ARTCCs aren't using it as such. For those of you who are using it as such then you are clearly using it wrong. I always told my students "this isn't passable try your best and let's not forget the basic fundamentals you were taught just because you are slammed". Then Id run them through the file the next week and show them their improvements.

So at the end of the day, I think these files are great if used the correct way!

If we’re going to wring our hands about how to improve events, we can’t blame it all on the pilots.
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No, I very much caught that part.  I don't think it changes the situation at all.  What value does driving a student to a "breaking point" bring to the table?  As an instructor, we should be able to derive that very information without attempting to defile the student.  If you can't, you aren't spending enough time learning the student.

A previous ATM and division director was big into the concept of “continuous improvement”. I should probably clarify that we only run this level of traffic on them post-certification on M98 as an opportunity to develop proficiency with traffic levels typically only seen during events.

If we’re going to wring our hands about how to improve events, we can’t blame it all on the pilots. We all deal with the same talent pool when an event rolls around, and facility to facility often yields starkly different results in the overall flow of event traffic. With very few exceptions, most of the guys who go through our radar training and then work a busy event thank us for giving them the opportunity to train to that level prior to throwing them to the wolves during an FNO.
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I'll make the argument that death files are not training tools here:  They're toys.  They're abused to make students do things they're likely not ready nor capable of.

Don't get me wrong, they're fun once you're comfortable and learn some tricks of the trade, but subjecting new students to them seems to do more harm than good.

With respect, I think you missed this part of Shane's post:

This scenario is basically ran at the very end of training just to see what the absolute breaking point of the student ends up being.

No, I very much caught that part.  I don't think it changes the situation at all.  What value does driving a student to a "breaking point" bring to the table?  As an instructor, we should be able to derive that very information without attempting to defile the student.  If you can't, you aren't spending enough time learning the student.

Maybe you should just see yourself out of the thread before you make even more of a fool of yourself. Every single one of the radar developmentals at our facility experience that scenario. They end up wanting more. Maybe this is because we actually take a great deal of pride in being the best we can be, and it shows when we host events and are actually capable of keeping the final contained inside the final controllers' airspace.

Just because you might be incapable or unwilling to be a better controller doesn't mean everyone else on the network can't.
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